As expected, neither were a match for the vastly superior precision obtained from the ubiquitous Ruger rifle. you actually believe that yore ruger pistopl is more precise at 100 yds thanyour 10-22? This is a gun for small game hunting, and in a survival situation I would be happy to have it to put fresh meat in the campfire stew. Sellers with highest buyer ratings; . Ergonomics * One, the older ones have very good triggers, not quite on par with a S&W trigger, but reasonably close. The first models that were made from 1955-1962 are known as the Flattops. Shooters, collectors and gun historians categorize all Ruger single-action revolvers, including rimfire and centerfire models, as Old Models and New Models. The action feels like it could bind when you cock it and the trigger went from being great to being crap. Initially offered in .22 Long Rifle (which can also shoot .22 Short and .22 Long cartridges), the versatile Single Six has been adapted to fire the rimfire .22 Magnum (WMR) and centerfire .32 H&R Magnum cartridges as well. I have finally decided to get back into Ruger single actions after a too long hiatus. What else is there for a revolver? Also, does a sawn off shotgun count as a handgun? Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc. is one of the nation's leading manufacturers of If you have an idea for a gun we can cover here be sure to comment below and we will try to get a shooter. Trigger is SUPER sweet! Mine has a round colt (horse inlay) on each side. so I left it at home. The earliest models featured a flat loading gate and rounded profile front sight. Im trying to find out when it was made. The bore friction slows it down I guess. The front blade sight is easy to pick up. It's being offered in three barrel lengths: 4.63, 5.5, and 7.5 inches. Like I said, I was pretty spooked. This gun led me to several .41s over the last 40 years, it became my favorite caliber (not counting the ,45 Colt!). He didnt own many guns but he loved the few he had and he passed that passion on to me along with his guns. These 3-screw Ruger Blackhawks are of interest for Big Bore Metallic Silhouette shooters as a batch (1500) were made with 10 barrels in the early 1960s. The "unmolested" old models are getting harder to find and Ruger stamps the ones they retrofit so they carry what is to some of us the "scarlet letter" even if you have the original parts to put it back in its original configuration. I had read that it would be more accurate with the magnum cylinder, and anecdotally it always seemed that way for mine but I didnt know why. Rapacious tort lawyers sprang to the attack and by the beginning of the 1970's the successful Sturm, Ruger & Company suddenly found itself the target of unfair but expensive lawsuits. So don't blame me if you accidentally shoot yourself or someone else. PachymarBogue .etc. There is also a quarter-cock "semi-safe" hammer position. Because of the higher energy of the .22 Magnum, whatever a .22 LR can kill, the Single Six can kill it deader. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. The standard, fixed sight, Single Six no longer comes with a flat top frame with a dove-tailed rear sight. One of the things that will affect your accuracy on a Single Six with .22LR ammo is that the Rugers bore diameter is sized for .22 WMR, not .22LR. The standard Single Six had a fixed rear sight dovetailed into the frame, and the Super Single Six model came with the same fully adjustable rear sight as a Blackhawk. Given time, I can shoot tight groups with it at 25 or even 50 feet. There's also a distributor-exclusive version chambered in .32 H&R . Used. They do not fit and per your photos, your grips look different and seem to fit perfectly. Jul 29, 2013. Very Good. My MarkII Stainless Slab Side is actually more accurate at 100 yards then my 10-22. innovative firearms. I would say the strength is the same. Beginning to sound like my Shield. Single-Sixer Joined Jul 21, 2014 Messages 171 I think Dan is referring to the difference between the old model 3 screw and the new model made from 1973 onward. SPECIFY MODEL AND CALIBER WHEN ORDERING. about 15yrs ago for $500,the main frame is kind of a purple color and i have kept the gun in nice shape.I live in Cheney Wa. I bought it, and discovered some assembly issues, so it went back to sort out some stripped screws. SN is 5421XX. The New Models feels a lot better than the conversions. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. My grips are different. Thanks. The used value of a RUGER SINGLE SIX pistol has fallen ($9.26) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $543.45 . We were headed down the dirt road back to the car, kids well in front, when a handful of black hairy pigs ambled out of the woods ahead of us. Have owned every Ruger single-action ever made, but have kept only those which are unconverted. Style * * * * Transfer bar mechanism and loading gate interlock provide an unparalleled measure of security against accidental discharge. This chromium finish is very durable and shows NO signs of holster wear or pitting. Windage- and elevation-adjustable rear sights help put you on target and keep you there. As it is, it works fine. This gun is a New Model Single-Six, so it has the transfer-bar firing mechanism. If you shoot black powder you should always completely disassemble your revolver for a thorough cleaning. I dont. My only wishes are that the 4 5/8 version would be made in the stainless steel as a standard catalog option not a special item and that the single nine version would be made convertible. Grip Frame Screw/Pivot Lock (stainless), Ruger. So these Old Model Blackhawks are not all that old and will probably be the newest guns that the series will see. I didnt know the Single Nine was convertible to .22 LR or I probably would have gone that route. As the name suggested, the cylinder held six rounds, but the original model should only be carried with the hammer over an empty chamber. Either way, Its still a fun little gun to plink with. I inherited a Ruger Old Model .41 Magnum Blackhawk, serial #9XX from my father at his passing. I am somewhat knew to learning about the finer details of the Blackhawks, so can someone tell me the differences between the 3 screw blackhawks and the newer 2 screw models? 1980 . The grip panels are usually rosewood, but some models feature black micarta or simulated ivory grips. Have you actually installed them on the single six hunter? Is the 3 screw stronger, or what advantage does it have over the 2 screw models, and does it have any drawbacks? In 1958, this loading gate was changed to a contoured shape. GENERAL OVERVIEW. Slicker, smoother and they make 4 clicks. Can anyone tell me anything about this gun? Its not a crisp break like the custom triggers Nick is fond of, but its short and predictable for an off-the-shelf production gun. Features include an adjustable rear sight, a ramp front, integral sight rib, and interchangeable cylinders for .22 LR and .22 WMR. Based on the appearance of the Colt Single Action Army revolver, it was first introduced with a 5-inch barrel. Also Fits Ruger Old Model XR-3 & Ruger .357 & .44 Flat Top Blackhawks. The articles you post, are a source of great information, pictures, and attract good people, who lead productive and enlightening discussions. Barrel lengths were 4 5/8 inches (rare), 5 and 6 inches. There are three cylinders in which they will fit with heavy pressure, three that will not seat at all. I love single sixes (first handgun I shot), but holy shit, not for hogs! Good grief. First it makes for a more pleasant and accurate revolver. Ruger NEW MODEL Single Six .22 LR CYLINDER LATCH , SPRING & PLUNGER #A191. A 6-1/2 inch Super Single Six makes a fine squirrel gun. The hammer is not involved. Would not get rid of it for anything ! While I also feel that the longer barreled single six is muzzle heavy, I thought you were pretty tough on the ergonomics portion of the review. So many would be survivalist believe they need massive fire power more than they need common sense. However, this is not a very strong safety and it could still go off with a hard enough impact. $499.99 View Site. This model comes with a .22LR &. I still have the convertible I argued with a late older friend over $25 about. Carefully lift the recoil spring guide rod off the frame. Chambered for affordable rimfire shooting. 9mm Pistol, Gun Review: Taylors & Company TC9 1873 SA Single Action Revolver, Classic Gun Review: Marlin Model 39 .22 Lever Action Rifle, http://www.accurateshooter.com/gear-reviews/paco-kelly%E2%80%99s-acu%E2%80%99rzr-bullet-tool/. I have an Uncle Mikes holster for use when I dont have the scope mounted and a bandolier style holster when I do. Not things that are alive, well only if they are in season. if yours were sent back early before they started doing the conversions and had the 9mm fitted to that specific frame, it would have the same serial as your original. He also had a Single Six that he had chrome plated. The 3 screws became history. echoes our commitment to these principles as we work hard to deliver quality and It makes me happy every time I take my old model Blackhawk. I have the shorter version and love it. Is Sectional Density A Good Measure Of A Bullets Penetration Potential? But idiots will be idiots and lawyers will be lawyers. Serial number 41-12534 and 41-12535, both 41 mag! Arkansas requires you to use a weapon legal for any other game in season. The Colts and their clones are like this too. It is a standard 3 Screw and not a Flattop. I have one it was made in 1966, took it to a gun Smith he said it was in all most new condition. 25 yards. The name 3 Screw is in reference to the 3 Screws on the side of the frame. Cold hammer-forged barrel results in ultra-precise rifling that provides exceptional accuracy and longevity. About 100 nickel-plated guns were made from 1965 to 1968. Youre not kidding, some parts of Texas are downright dangerous with these pigs. Transfer bar mechanism and loading gate interlock provide an unparalleled measure of security against accidental discharge. I probably should have mentioned in the review that the installation is a royal pain in the rear, but that is an issue for Hogue, not Ruger. Copyright 2003, 2016 by Chuck Hawks. You can check out our previous articles in this series here. I think what Im saying here is I like my Rugers ALOT. You Save: $75.00 (9 %) Ruger Old Model Single Six Revolver Siberian Mammoth Ivory Grips. The point of impact changed when switching cylinders, so not surprisingly you have to decide which setup you will ultimately dial in. Jeff. The new models have 2 pins. Only a few left! The 3-screw (or "Old Model," as they later came to be called) Ruger Single Six revolvers are based on a very simple design. BHF: Cool little family. But there was a cost to the feel of the action. The leaf springs are the most common place to have a breakage on a Colt. My wife and son didnt like it either. Unlike the Old Models, the hammer has no half-cock position. Among the .44 Magnum handguns available today, the Super Blackhawk represents the best value in a hunting or target-shooting sixgun along with Ruger's own Bisley model. The New Model revolvers have two pins, not screws and are available in several models to include Single-Six (22LR/22 WMR), Blackhawk (327 Fed Mag, 38/357 Mag, 44 Special,41 Mag, and 45 Colt) Vaquero (357 Mag and 45 Colt) and Super Blackhawks (44 Mag). All are good guns. I also have a Ruger Single SIx Hunter (which I love) and purchased the Hogue Monogrips model 83000 per Hogues recommendation. The Blackhawk is perhaps the most indestructible handgun ever made. C. It appears to be a factory magna-port with slots along each side of the front sight? Many different models and variations have been added to the New Model Ruger line over the years, too many for us to cover in this column. Required fields are marked *. For those who want, and can safely control, a lighter than normal trigger it is a simple matter to slip one limb of the New Model trigger spring from its peg. These Rugers are perfectly safe to carry with 6 in the cylinder. It doesnt need one. Introduced in 1958, the first Bearcats had plastic wood-impregnated grips, later changed to walnut in 1963. Ruger now wisely places the text on the newer models on the bottom of the barrel. New Model Single Six calibers are .17 HMR, .22 LR (also .22 Short and .22 Long), .22 WMR (also .22 WRF), and .32 H&R Magnum (also .32 Short and .32 Long). My Leupold FX-II fit the included 1 rings perfectly, but if your scope has a different objective or tube size, Ruger will typically swap the proprietary rings for free. Bought the hogue grips as well. Im glad the results of my test can be backed up with a reason other than that am just a lousy shot! Design, prices and specifications subject to change without notice. The timing was a wise move. Yep, about what you expect from this barrel length. The sights were the standard Ruger adjustable type and I had them zeroed to hit dead on at 25 yards. I think you picked the wrong single six for your purposes. The ivory-grip version of Ruger Single Six is one of the rarest and most collectible. Had Ruger put the rear scope mount on the top strap where it belongs, it would be a whole different ballgame. Blackhawkfan: "If I may I would second your final satement but add that if you want the safety transfer bar retrofit on an old model please sell the old model as it is and buy yourself a new model. Reverse the above steps to reassemble the Blackhawk handgun. Pull the firing pin out of the frame. Came home and did some research a realized what I had purchased and was very pleased (1965 model with low 5 digit serial and never had transfer bar conversion) I paid $700 for the 3 screw AND a Glock 36 in pretty much perfect condition, so needless to say I think I got an amazing deal. Would love to trade kimber 45 cal mint confound two magaziines. Lotsa guys here use 17 HMR for hogs during small game. landmines and claymores would almost be appropriate in some parts. "Bird's Head" Grip Frame (click pictures for a larger version) Grip Frame Drawings Dinged up sight Chip in the handle? Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Grips: Black laminated wood Im glad you actually use your GP-100. Buy either with confidence. Never-the-less, Bill Ruger redesigned his single action revolvers in 1973 in an attempt to make them "idiot proof." The Single Six is back from Ruger (they got it out before the holiday closure, which really surprised me). $799.99. RUGER Single Six Old Model 3-Screw Mfg. The Single Six Hunter comes with both .22 LR and .22 Magnum cylinders, and each holds six rounds. You'll definitely enjoy them. The Single Six Hunter has the classic single-action cowboy six-shooter lines but is all business when it comes to critter control. The difference between the two cylinders is obvious: the .22 LR cylinder is fluted while the .22 Magnum cylinder isnt and is roll marked .22 WIN. It is 11 13/16 inches in overall length, and weighs 35 ounces. A .22 for a wild hog? I have one of these from my Dad, 44mag- 7.5 bbl and never converted. You have entered an incorrect email address! The Single-Six .22 LR, which shares the same action, preceded it by two years. I am not saying the New Models are junk as they are far from it. Last week I picked up a nice three screw Single Six, the version with adjustable sights. Working on a matched pair is twice the fun. The most significant difference between them is that the Old Models, made before 1973, were based on the original single-action designs of the 19th century and should be carried with the hammer lined up with an empty chamber. that will indeed beat the .22 WMR from a 7 1/2 revolver barrel. These are 22lr/22mag. There are New Model Single Sixes with round top rather than flat top frames, fixed or adjustable sights, and "Bisley," "bird's head," and traditional Western grip shapes. 1958. $6.41 $6.41. the single six with a 5 digit number (which puts yours at 1958) there was NOT a magnum cylinder available back , they ( the 22 magnum caliber) came out in 1959..the barrel bore diameter for your gun is smaller, so should NOT use a magnum. Im going to run the serial number and get a exact year of manufacture. I use mine for squirrels. Bill Ruger, who had always been a fan of the classic Colt, saw an opportunity. The Ruger Single Six was introduced in 1953, and is still currently being made. Mark II .22 LR 3 Still in original condition with the 4 5/8 barrel. You bet. Just think, Ruger Single Nine in stainless steel with 4 5/8 barrel with 22 Mag and 22 LR cylinders. But I thought the scope mount would be a neat feature because I already owned the scope, and I figured maybe I would get a tick more energy with a longer barrel. To load one: Ilikegreatguns, First, the three screw models are called "Old Models" because they were the origional Ruger Single Action Revolvers. Ruger offered these Blackhawks in a number of calibers and barrel lengths. Eight major concealed carry insurance programs are now available to the millions of Americans who carry concealed. You can see the firing pin. . It comes with the same target style adjustable sights as the Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk. Ruger stepped in with what is really an updated Colt. Varnished walnut or stag grips were available as an option with ivory grips added in 1954. I've had a Single-Six in .22LR / .22WMR for about 35 years. The targets were set out at 25 yards to better simulate real game hunting ranges. Not a Flattop. Yes, Im very proud to own this work of art, that Works. Rabbits? He declined. Its hard to rate something on comfort. 1,739. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I was thinking through the whole read about our PA game laws and using a CCW permit instead. My CCI .22lr stingers do not seat fully in the .22lr cylinder. (Full Details) Price: $649.99 Of course, the kids headed right for them. For instance, during small game season you must use rimfire or bird shot. MSRP is $779. Ruger introduced its Single-Six single action revolver in .22 "Magnum Only" around June of that same year. If enough dirty cough Remington cough rounds are fired between cleanings, the chambers can build up enough crud that you have to lightly press on the round to seat it before rotating to load the next one. Used. 4 Image(s) Ruger Single Six 22LR Flatgate. I have 3 old three screw ruger revolvers 22 single six,4 digits,22 single six mag,& a357 mag,would like 44 mag three screw hard to find love them all,hope to pss them all down to son,have a great day thanks, I have a 3-screw 44mag SuperBH, 71/2 barrel, Hogue grips, unfluted cyl, mfd ? 1oz. This blued steel .22 LR/.22 Magnum revolver comes with a fluted LR cylinder and a nonfluted .22 WMR cylinder. DG- Thanks for the detailed explanation. Also 357Mag / 9mm 6 inch barrel prefix 30-xxxxxx, I bought it used early 70s for $100+ from a co-worker who needed money. The second is a 2000s New model s. Like most .44 mag. Then the funniest thing happened. As well, a large number of rounds from a box of Winchester 333 would not seat properly, and some casings would not eject without what I consider undue force (pushing with two hands on the plunger with the grip planted firmly on the bench). 1969 3-Screw Ruger Single Six .22 Caliber Revolver w/ .22 Mag Cylinder & Original Box, Manual, Etc. Location. And so now it has the transfer bar installed.. Thisactuallyworks! The Bearcat is a scaled-down single action in .22 LR with a non-fluted, roll-engraved cylinder. single action from the PX at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina back in 1957. Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get it right. It has not been converted to the transfer bar safety and yes it still shoots like a brand new gun. i don,t think you could send an old ruger back today for any repairs without ruger doing the kit. Included cylinders for .22 LR and .22 Magnum. It can be identified by a dinged up front sight (never loan out a gun) and a chip at the bottom of the wooden grip caused by recoil while leaning over a stone wall shooting at a chuck. the weird thing about this gun is, it had an extra 9mm cyl. Under perfect conditions, which are not all that difficult to attain, said weapon will cleanly take a deer. I have gotten 2 inch groups from 25 yards out of it before, on a really really good day. or Best Offer And I polished the black anodizing off of the one-piece trigger guard/grip frame and buffed the bare aluminum to a soft silver glow. It is a fun gun to shoot. The .17 HMR Single-Six comes with an all-black adjustable rear sight, ramped front sight, and checkered black plastic grips. If you are talking pistolas then I would go for the 7.62 tokarev (especially if you have subgun or AP ammo) or one of the magnums (.357, .44, you know the drill). It was made with barrel lengths of 4 5/8, 5, 6 or 9 inches. Rugers SR1911 Competition Now Chambered in .45 ACP. Feature Articles, I like .22 and trust it and everything, but I wouldnt use it for hogs. Model: Ruger New Model Single Six Hunter Next up, fishing with a hookless hook. Overall Length: 13 The new medium of television was growing rapidly. The 3 Screw should be carried with 5 rounds in the cylinder. Since hogs are in season year round if you want to hunt them during small game season, you must use one of those. But then I started to fall out of love with this gun. Grip Panels, Ruger. Excuse me? Thats right, sir. There have been a number of differences over the years. A very interesting article. All Ruger single actions made after 1973 have this safety feature, including current models. Ruger New Model Single-Six Family Windage- and elevation-adjustable rear sights (available on most models) help put you on target and keep you there. It is a great shooting gun and it has many many rounds through it with never a malfunction. What do I have? Another main difference is the use of coil springs in the place of the flat leaf spring in the Colt and most other revolvers of the time. The long 7 1/2 barrel and integral scope mounts are evidence that Ruger chose the Hunter moniker for good reason. That said, I had a friend a while back who took his Blackhawk to a pin match and cleared the table faster than I could 99% of the time. The Super Single Six model was introduced in 1964. my go-to survival, trunk, bugout piece is a ruger single eight, a gently used single six that came to me cheap. Blued Ruger Single Six .22WMR Cylinder OLD Model 3 Screw OEM .22 Mag SEE PiCs. Dropped it where it stood. I would like to hear from you if you have this gun. Originally the .22 LR had a 5 1/2-inch barrel, and 4 5/8, 6 and 9-inch models were later added. Ruger re-tooled and quit the old model and made the new model on a larger frame with that transfer bar. The fish and game folks obviously dont hunt. I won and still have the gun. Features listed above are available on all standard models, but may not appear on Distributor Exclusive models. Wha? Thanks Renner for your response. Is there any difference I need to be cautious of if I go with the older one. The Ruger Single Six was inspired by the popularity of TV and movie Westerns in the 1950s. The Williams website lists Part#70960 for the New Model Single Six but there is no picture so I dont know for certain if it works on the Hunter. It was a six-shot .22 caliber called the "Single-Six". Squirrels? Colt had ceased production of the Single Action Army at the beginning of World War II and there was no indication that it would be back anytime soon. SixRounds Studio Wood Chips and Black Steel Link But if you have ever rolled the hammer back on a 3 Screw you will know what I am talking about. I was six years old when I first shot the Blackhawk. Its very enjoyable, and the reason I come to the GUNSAMERICA forum. I was told they can be converted back to original etc. I got the balance to where its better for me. Unfortunately, after two years and nearly 500 rounds downrange this working gun shows it. Traditional western-style, hand-filling grip has long been acknowledged as one of the most comfortable and natural pointing of any grip style. Just ease the single action hammer back manually with your thumb and squeeze the respectable 4lb. I picked up a old 3 Screw 44 mag 7.5 barrel in a package deal from a friend a while back not knowing at the time that it was an old model. (See Old vs. New Models below.). To make sure I was comparing apples to oranges, I had the aforementioned 2X scope on the Single Six, a 1X red dot sight on the Mark II, and a 4-12X scope on the 10/22. But while taking down a small-to-average sized feral hog by hitting the sweet spot behind the ear would certainly be possible, I dont trust my own skills to get close enough to make that ethical kill shot cleanly on a hog in the wild. Gun Review: Taurus GX4XL T.O.R.O. All these amazing features make it one perfect casual outerwear to get compliments from your fashion friends. 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